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hopeful but little progress was made. if they can't reach an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff, taxes for all americans will go up and across the board spending cuts will kick in on january 1. economists say that combination could plunge the country back into a recession. there are signs some republicans are now willing to compromise on taxes if they can secure cuts to social security, medicare and medicaid. >> the rate increase on the top 2% that the president is talking about and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. >> reporter: one proposal under discussion, raising the eligibility age for medicare is not going well for some democrats and advocates for senior citizens. >> the option to raise the medicare age is bad policy and will increase costs because people who are 65 and 66 still need health insurance. >> reporter: the aarp says the real solution to cutting the deficit is lowering skyrocketing health care costs. danielle nottingham, cbs news, washington. >>> the official fiscal cliff deadline is december 31. but many on capitol hill say that an agreement is need
the fiscal cliff unless republicans agree to tax increases. reports from major garrett and chip reid. elaine quijano on a new study that could lead to a major change in treatment for breast cancer. >> recurrence is something you live with for your entire life. >> pelley: a household name in computers is wanted in a murder investigation. bob orr reports he was tracked down by the technology he lived by. and we note two milestones: an eyewitness to this moment in history has died. then anthony mason will take five to remember dave brubeck, a giant of jazz. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening, they've never said it quite like this: the president's treasury secretary made it clear there is no room for compromise. republicans must accept an increase in tax rates for upper-income americans. negotiations on a budget deal haven't gone very far and there are just 27 days before that so-called fiscal cliff. that's the package of tax increases for most americans and budget cuts that will hit automatically unless the white house and congr
before that so- called fiscal cliff. that's the package of tax increases for most americans and budget cuts that will hit automatically unless the white house and congress find a gentler way to solve the crisis in the federal budget. here's how treasury secretary tim geithner put it on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again there is no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember, it's only 2%. >> pelley: by top 2%, he means individuals making more than $200,000 and couples taking in $250,000 or more. republicans say rates shouldn't be increased on anyone. with no agreement, going over the fiscal cliff would be painful. the automatic tax increases break down like this: households making $20,000 to $40,000 would see an increase in $1,200 a year. incomes of $40,000 to $64,000 would see taxes rise $2,000 and in the $64,000 to $108,000 bracket taxes go up $3,500 a year. mr. obama and the republican speaker of the house talked this over today and here's major garrett
the debt ceiling debate in the broader fiscal cliff discussion, clear where he was on taxes on the wealthy, a president who came out, and from the beginning, suggesting he's not moving off of his basic requirements, and republicans came a coup of different times making, at least, gestures towards a compromise. i think that suggests where the leverage really lies in this debate and negotiations. >> chris, seemssthe president's doing everything but taking snuff as he makes degrees and pronouncements, and the republicans for the life of me don't have a response, a message to meet and deal with the president. >> well, this is the starving time for the republicans. this is the bad season -- unhappy christmas for the republicans with the goal to get to the fiscal cliff, and get beyond that so that they can get to the debt ceiling. the debt ceiling is where they have leverage, advantage, and where the president is asking to increase the debt ceiling beyond the 2 #.2 trillion, these are american dollars, the $2.2 trillion that he was granted in borrowing power back in august. the republicans have
yesterday saying the white house is prepared to go off the fiscal cliff unless republicans bend on taxes. a comment by former democratic potential candidate howard deen frighted republicans that the debate is not just about raising taxes on the rich. >> the truth is everybody needs to take more taxes, not just the rich. that's a good start, but we're not going to get out of the deficit problem unless we raise taxes acss the board. to go back to what bill clinton had. >> now, some liberals pushed the president to invoke the 14th amendment claiming that gives him the executive power to raise the debt limit himself, but jay said today the white house studied that proposition and decided the president does not have that executive power meang we headed for another show down with congressver raising the debt ceiling. lou: the fiscal cliff and now a new ultimatum on the national debt ceiling. you suppose this is the last condition? >> it's going to be a wild couple of months, maybe everybody thought with the election over, there was going to be peace and fure all of this out, bui think we're ju
the pieces coming together on the fiscal cliff some increase in marginal tax rates coupled with some kind of cutting back on tax expenditures. the real concern is shifting or will shift from the fiscal cliff to the debt limit. it's not clear that the republicans will agree to including a debt limit increase in that kind of package and if they don't, we may get past december 31st only to find ourselves with a big problem in february or march. >> the obama administration has been clear they will not sign anything. even to get past december 31st. so do you think they can hold firm on that if republicans offer them a package that doesn't include the debt ceiling? >> this is where i think the tension is now arising, which is even if you have some agreement over the tax rates which will jam the republicans a bit, can you jam them on the debt limit also, the concern will be an administration overstepping or overream reaching and trying to jam in the kinds being discussed now. i'm all in favor of getting rid of the debt limit. it makes no sense from a technical perspective. but it's probably a br
. so what about this fiscal cliff? some would suggest and your party, as a matter of fact, said hey, let us go off the enand maybe you can cut back the tax increases on other -- edge and maybe you can cut back the tax rexes on others later, but that would at least mean -- taxes on others later, but that would at least mean people making more would pay more. >> i think it underestimates the potential impact on the economy and the very people we're trying to protect would be the most affected if that happened. so i don't think it's a good idea at all to go off the fiscal cliff. >> first of all, two questions, would you be willing to work through the christmas holiday to make sure this gets done? >> absolutely. >> second question, what about foregoing any pay until you solve this problem? >> well, the problem with that is there are 535 of us and i'm willing to solve the problem and compromise. i don't want to be penalized because of somebody else. >> fair enough. congressman connolly, we thank you for being here. i take it that means you want to keep collecting your paycheck. >> i want
to the fiscal cliff and tax cuts that could happen. delia goncalves is live on capitol hill with more on that this morning. good morning, delia. >> reporter: good morning. mike, andrea, it appears we were here live on capitol hill just two weeks ago talking about a compromise. remember that? well, now we're back and it seems that those talks that had so much promise, well, they seem they've come to a screeching halt. now congress people are pointing the finger among increasing pressure to strike a deal before the january 1 deadline. they're now blaming each other for stalling talks that could send us off a fiscal cliff. in a surprise visit to a falls church family, the president emphasized he will refuse to sign a bill that does not raise taxes on the wealthy but republicans say that's a deal breaker. his stance they say proves the president is not interested in striking a balanced deal, simp in spending more and raising the debt ceiling. but the president says his main concern is certainly the middle- class families of america. he does not want to burden them with the potential $2,00
to the fiscal cliff disrupting our economy and threaten jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> democrats shona signs of backing off from supporting the president's hard-line stance on raising the income tax rate on the rich. >> we realize there have to be two sets to the bargain, but we are not going to go back to what we did in 2011 putting both revenues and cuts on the table. >> despite the impasse in washington promising signs the economy might be improving -- more job creation, improvement in the housing sector, and a decrease in household debt. solution -- spending cuts combined with an increase in tax revenue. >> talks about the fiscal cliff and the meeting between president obama and john boehner -- >> the president is trying to do two things. he is trying to both reopen negotiations, direct negotiations between him and the house speaker, the deal be struck between them. at the same time he is going to michigan tomorrow, where he will make the same case to autoworkers, the same types of middle-class people who helped him get elected in the industrial midwest. >> demo
cliff. log onto and click on fiscal cliff. >>> it is a tax originally designed to make sure that the wealthy folks pay at least some tax, but the middle class could feel even more pain if we go off that fiscal cliff because the alternative minimum tax which was passed in 1969 to catch a small number of families that pay no taxes, if we go over the cliff, it could impact one in five taxpayers. >> the average amount they say for each family is 3,500 per year. that would be 300 a month, but that's a lot of money. what are you going to give up? >> if the budget deal is not done, the amt tax could apply to individuals making just $34,000 a year and joint filers earning $45,000 in 2013. that's another 28 million households and a lot of deduction goes away as well. >>> turns out you can't say whatever you want on the internet. a judge ordered a fairfax county woman to take down parts of her nasty review of her contractor and she may yet face hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages. bruce leshan is live in fairfax with the details. bruce. >> reporter: yeah, anita, jane per
households. mostly because of fiscal cliff concerns and higher tax concerns. that said, i agree with ken. this is a larger issue that nobody is willing to talk about, the third rail of american politics -- entitlements. we can't raise taxes enough to compensate for what we need in our democrat kbrafk situation on entitlements. these are fundamental issues. it's important to understand that not only have we seen investment decline and the composition of employment. the manufacturing sector not showing big gains. the investment side of the equation not showing big gains. that shows delays in hiring and defer meant by the fiscal cliff. it's clear that we are at a fork in the road. we can choose to enhance our role in the global economy by taking the situation and making responsible decisions or by deliberately slitting our own economic throats we'll lose what credibility we have left. i think we are at the fork in the road now. >> john, instilling confidence would be a big role for washington. you know, there isn't a great deal of confidence in washington. there is less in congress. at this
these fiscal cliff developments. he is here with tonight's wrap- up. >> reporter: an knit tax you are right, the president and the speaker got on the phone but as if to signal the lack of progress the house got out of town. the republican controlled house left town wednesday saying it has nothing to do. >> we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> reporter: the president's treasury secretary said there's no room for negotiation on its demand for tax rate hikes for top income earners. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there's no prospect for an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest members. >> reporter: republicans insist they can get the revenue without increasing tax rates. >> the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who, the rich. >> reporter: but the president says that won't work. >> it is not possible for us to raise the amount of revenue that's required for a balanced package if all you are relying on is closing deduct
in the deadlock over how to avoid the rapidly approaching fiscal cliff. the president's secretary said the administration is absolutely 3r-7d to go over the cliff if republicans don't agree to tax rate increases. speaker boehner says it is now up to the president to spell out a plan that will pass. the president told business leaders that ending fights over extending the country's debt ceiling have to be a part of this deal. now part of our deal here at 9news is having gary nurenberg follow these fiscal cliff developments. he is here with tonight's wrap- up. >> reporter: an knit tax you are right, the president and the speaker got on the phone but as if to signal the lack of progress the house got out of town. the republican controlled house left town wednesday saying it has nothing to do. >> we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> reporter: the president's treasury secretary said there's no room for negotiation on its demand for tax rate hikes for top income earners. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> a
, ands or buts on that specific aspect of the fiscal cliff. >> with respect to the tax rates, i want to emphasize, i am open to new ideas. i'm not going to slam the door in their face. i want to hear -- i want to hear ideas from everybody. >> that's not a no. here is the treasury secretary timothy geithner. >> there's no agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. >> not necessarily going up to the clinton era rates. just going up. today at a press conference at the capital, boehner got a question about this. listen carefully to how he responded or didn't respond. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week. can you characterize this call? and also we understand that he just is making clear that it's got to be increasing rates for the wealthy or no deal. are you willing to give a little bit? maybe just not all the way to 39.6? >> the phone call was pleasant, but just more of the same. the conversations that the staff had yesterday, just more of the same. it's time for the president, if he's serious, to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> not a no on
will push back on president obama's demand for tax hikes on the rich when it comes to the fiscal cliff. but treasury secretary timothy geithner says the white house will not give in. >> no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one thing the president said very clearly, which is that tax rates would go up on the wealthiest. it's an
. but if there's no deal and the country goes over that fiscal cliff, taxes go up for everyone, mandatory spending cuts go into effect, a lot of folks are going to say where was the president? he was just re-elected. why couldn't he put together a package, a deal to avoid this disaster? >> i think this is a question of political leadership. and as that poll showed, there's no doubt that the president has the political advantage going into this. but at some point, and i think we're kind of getting close to it, the president has to be able to pivot and to say how do i turn this political advantage into a real policy accomplishment? and, wolf, i don't think you're going to do that with continued campaign style events like we just saw meeting with middle class families. okay. we get that. that occurred during the campaign. the white house has clearly gotten its message out. i think now there has to be a next step. you know, timing is everything in politics. and this is absolutely no different. what i'm getting from talking to some democrats on the hill is i think there's actually a lot of pen
clear the fiscal cliff, by closing loopholes in taxes has outraged anti-tax conservatives and when he removed conservatives from the key bathses of the past. >> $800 billion in 10 years that, looks like a tax increase. 238 republicans, including me, took a pledge not to raise taxes. >> they want to send a message to me, to send a message to others that we are not going to tolerate people who are interested in doing what's right, we want to play the same game. if you try to disrupt that, we will knock you off a committee. >> reporter: conservatives were tossed off the house budget committee and others were bounce from the financial services committee. benching conservatives have boehner under fire from conservative group, including the heritage foundation, red state dot-com, freedom works and the heavy hitting club for growth. >> if you keep doing this, we may have to replace you. >> it is bad policy. it is awful politics. and it is -- it will -- it will guaranteed, it will lose him the speakership of the house in 2 years. >> reporter: the republicans lost the majority inuent 06, when
. >> thanks, andrea. we talk a lot about your taxes going up buzz because of the fiscal cliff but your kids could suffer too. the impact on the classroom. that's coming up at 6:07. good morning. you're watching 9news. >>> welcome back. if your kids are getting new bikes for christmas, we have a great place that you can donate one of their old ones. here's an example of one of the old ones that's getting donated. joining us is winston and juang. why did you decide to get involved with this and do this effort? >> i started this charity about seven years ago with our -- our mom and i went over to africa. i saw a lot of people walking and in particular i saw all the women walking. it really had an effect on me because it reminded me of my grandmother. i wanted to know how i could help these people. my first thought was to send them cars or to send them food but nobody has an old car to give and food is just temporary. so i thought why not give them a bike because a bike can be used anywhere. it can be a means of transportation. it was a great solution. >> you guys have a pretty big goal this ye
democrats. "no signs of reaching a deal revealed." as part of this so-called fix -- fiscal cliff, what tax deductions would you give up? fort lauderdale, hello. caller: hello. good morning. i feel that i would be willing to give up some of my medicare benefits. i currently get free shoes and other benefits from medicare that i would be willing to give up. host: anything that you would be willing to give up on your taxes? items that you have in the past? caller: i would be willing to give up my charitable deductions. host: how come? caller: i feel that i give part of it to my charitable deductions. host: would you still make donations to charity if you could not write it off on your taxes? caller: yes, i would. host: thank you for your call. joe? caller: i would be willing to give up earned income credit and i liked what the last caller said about modifying the amount for charitable deductions. i think that sometimes the very rich use that to give to charities that actually benefit themselves. i also have a contingency, which would be to reform the bankruptcy act and remove those benefits f
news fiscal cliff note. >> fact, child care tax credits will be really reduced. right now a taxpayer gets a $1,000 tax credit per child each year. the credit kicks in when you file your annual income taxes, but if the reduction goes through, you will only be able to deduct $500, a 50% decrease. here's the back story. this year american families will claim over $38 billion in total child credits. if a compromise isn't reached soon, $37 billion in credits are due to be eliminated. why is this happening? it's part of an effort to slash $503 billion from the federal budget deficit through tax increases and deep spending cuts. >> you can learn more any time at and on 9 news. this has been a 9 news fiscal cliff note. >>> as we've been telling you here on 9 news, if an agreement cannot be reached by the 1st of the year, the cuts will have an enormous impact on houses, businesses and you name it and put a huge dent into medical research and drug development, possibly for years to come. automatic federal budget cuts means funding for the national institutes of health will be dow
church area, in his push to avoid the fiscal cliff. he heard how tax increases would hurt a family like theirs if no deal is reached by the end of the year. democrats and republicans are still at an impasse on raising taxes for the top 2% of the nation's earners. >>> the lighting of the national christmas tree. here's a live look at this hour. the first family will flip the switch shortly after 5:00. >>> let's see what kind of weather they're going to have. i know we've got possible showers out there. but will they hold off do you think? >> they're going to hold way off until after the christmas tree lighting. but i'm glad it's going to be a little crisp and cool out there for the national christmas tree lighting, you know, to get in the spirit of it all. the high clouds have already moved into the area. the monuments there in the back ground. as far as the rain, where is it now? it's two areas that will convene and come together. we've got one area of low pressure down south. it will be making its way northward. then that weather front, you can see it around chicago coming through area
, the fiscal cliff we're talking about has all kinds of components to it. it's the estate tax death tax, capital gains, dividend, alternative minimum tax, all the things that will harm a vast majority of americans from a tax standpoint in a significant and fundamental way. we believe those rates ought no increase. the president is willing to play politics and take us to the brink of raising those tax rates on virtually every single american. that's not what we believe is the kind of activity will get our economy and jobs rolling again. >> the white house will argue they're not the ones holds out to protect the top 2%, that it's the republicans doing that. >> great point, chris, the problem is what the president is holding out for is a nonsolution. the tax increases that the president wants on the top 2% will run this government not for eight years or eight weeks or eight weeks but run this government for eight days, which means it's not a solution. the president is not interested in real policy solutions by evidenced by what he has proposed, he's interested in politics and that's the ch
're offering up an $800 billion tax increase, that's a big deal but it doesn't save us from the fiscal cliff. as susan was suggesting, there's a long time to go between now and the 31st. they have to wait until that long because neither side wants to appear to be giving in too early. that means they've given away more than they had to. you've got the president out there stirring the pot, trying to bring public opinion more to his side. the republicans are struggling to find some message to keep up with it. the danger is this whole thing boils over in animosity before the 31st and they go off the cliff because they have antagonized each other so much. >> and speaking of antagonistic situations, there's been a lot made of the dysfunction within the republican party but there's an article on the front page of the "new york times" that suggests that speaker boehner is actually in a stronger position in his caucus than when he was elected two years ago. how is he doing, do you think? >> well, i think he's in a stronger position because republicans feel like they're in a weaker position. i think a
and focusing on the expiring tax cuts as we near this fiscal cliff. we're going to bring their remarks live as they happen. first, christine romans has a look at what it would be like he if the country let those tax cuts expire, and we go off the so-called fiscal cliff. >> reality track says one in three homes sold short. right now you don't owe taxes on the forgiven debt. on the other side of the fiscal cliff you do. it gives homeowners a tax break on unpaid mortgage debt and expires on december 31st unless congress acts. >> the average amount that homeowners are short in a short sale is $95,000. if this tax break goes away as part of the so-called fiscal cliff, those homeowners could be taxed on that $95,000 as additional income starting in 2013. >> how much homeowners will owe in taxes on that amount depending on the tax bracket they're in. on average it would be between 20 to $25,000. the banks have an extra incentive to stel short and absorb the loss. under the national mortgage settlement act that went into effect earlier this year, the nation's biggest lenders get a credit for short
in congress are willing to go over the fiscal cliff in order to get those tax hikes. rather than negotiate in good faith, they're willing to try to spend their time trying to convince the american people that it's just someone else's fault. going over the fiscal cliff will mean another recession, and this one is squarely on the shoulders of president obama. it will mean unemployment spiking back up over 9%. it will also mean a whole host tax increases, even beyond the higher tax rates that washington democrats want so badly. americans are also facing big increases in the death tax and the alternative minimum tax, also known as the a.m.t. both of these taxes will go up january 1 unless democrats work with republicans and take action to stop the increases that are already scheduled to occur. now, there's bipartisan agreement that these taxes should not be raised. there is bipartisan agreement that these taxes will do great damage to middle-class families, to family businesses, and to family farms. any effort to stop these harmful tax increases is being held up by the president's insistence o
growth. we passed a bill a few months ago that prevents the fiscal cliff by saying no taxes will be increased, a bipartisan bill. all of those votes, were criticized for. they called us right wing nuts and extremists. we explain to the people what we want to do to get our economy moving again, but also to control spending in washington. and we were reelected with a mandate not only to continue to be in charge of the house, but to be the line of defense against the radical administration. i think we know what our task is. all but, for candidates -- all but four of the 30 candidates elected are talking about joining rsc. they were elected on these principles we believe in. i am comfortable with where we are positioned now, but i know it is going to be a tough ride ahead. we would not be doing this if it was not a mandate the people sent us to go do. >> something on all of our minds is the fiscal cliff. i would be remiss if i did not ask you both to weigh in on it in the following way. first, what is going on that we do not understand? number two, what should happen? number 3,
on different aspects of the fiscal cliff. we want to look at capital gains tax and the estate tax. what is the estate tax? guest: it goes back to history -- it was put in place to prevent the united states from developing an aristocracy. a tax on estates that are passed down to heirs. republicans called the death tax. they have characterized it as a bad thing. it has a lot of a populist opposition to it. george w. bush signed in a phase-out of the estate tax. the top rate stays at 55%. the exemption level started rising from $1 million and going up. it was repealed completely in 2010 for one year. then it sprang back to life as part of the extension of the bush tax cuts that president obama signed into law. you have a debate -- very few members dispute that it needs to be continued. the debate is over whether you continue it at the current level. there is an exemption level, $10 million for a couple. or at the white house would prefer a 45% rate. that is the debate right now. there's a split among democrats. the white house wants a less generous estate tax. red-leaning states like max b
-called fiscal cliff. this is in fact the family and business tax cut certainty act of 2012. while i hope that the negotiations to avert the fiscal cliff are successful, in my view we should not wait for a grand bargain in order to finish work on this important tax extender legislation. tax extenders are different from the other fiscal cliff issues for three basic reasons, and let me describe those reasons. first tax extenders are much less contentious than the other end of year problems that we -- that need to be resolved. the tax extender bill on the senate calendar has strong bipartisan support. in august, the finance committee approved it by a large margin. we have support from six republicans, including the ranking member, senator hatch. all 13 democrats supported it. i believe that many more republicans will vote for this legislation if it's brought up for consideration here in the senate. the bill consists entirely of tax cuts. it should not be difficult to get senators to vote for tax cuts, right before christmas especially. most of these tax cuts have solid bipartisan support. ma
administration is more than willing to let america go right over the fiscal cliff. and he will not budge on the president's demands to raise taxes on the top income earners. >> if republicans do not agree to that is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> oh, absolutely, an agreement doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2%, only 2%, and all of those americans get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. >> well, what if the obama administration lets it happen? what happens to the average american family. joining us here, is congressman randy forbes, nice to have you on the show. >> thank you, governor. >> let me ask you something, do you feel that the president actually wants it to happen so it gives him some political advantage? >> well, governor, i just have to judge that by two things, first of all, what i'm hearing from my colleagues on the democratic leadership side and told me as late as last week, they wanted to go over the fiscal cliff because we've argued all along they'll start by simply taxing everybody above 200,000, but that will contin
is enough to get us past the fiscal cliff, turn off these automatic spending cuts and make sure that taxes don't go up. and then they would figure out what to do with the upper bracket. and then there would be a mechanism that would guarantee further action next year. if at all possible, they would disagree next year and there would be some sort of trigger or punishment for their lack of action. that sounds relatively simple, i think, putting it all together could take at least a couple of weeks after they have a deal. there could be some inevitable blocks either by conservatives in the house or in the senate. blowups either byow wha conservatives in the house or in the senate. the details can get pretty political party quickly. there's so much in flux. it all presupposes that the get an agreement. there was a school of thought that they could not get an agreement until tax rates actually go up next year. >> you can follow himat @apandrewtaylor. >> a discussion on the u.s. economy and you pull in the middle class with participants from think tanks, academia and business at 8:30 a.m. easter
to the federal government without raising tax rates. >> going over the fiscal cliff also means the 2% payroll tax holiday would expire. it would mean cuts in unemployment benefits for millions of families. lawmakers have until december 31st to agree on a deal. >>> as we reported earlier this evening, the president took a break to join the first family for the lighting of the national christmas tree on the ellipse. as fox 5's bob barnard tells us, others there say that icy chill in the air needs to thaw if we're ever going to avoid that fiscal cliff. >> reporter: yes, the president and malia obama with sasha and first lady michelle leading a chorus of santa claus is coming to town. >> one. >> reporter: the ceremony of music and lights as the national christmas tree comes to life. >> i'm so excited for christmas. i can feel christmas already now. >> reporter: but the holiday cheer, the spectacle of this illuminating tradition tempered by thoughts of the looming fiscal cliff. >> he's making us wait a little bit. >> reporter: this is 6-month- old evan nicolsky. his father neil works for the depar
with the president's position on tax hikes. furthermore, if this fiscal cliff happened 23 days from now, the president, if he doesn't do anything, those bush tax cuts expire, no negotiation at all. the bush tax cuts expire and the defense cuts go into place if the president basically doesn't return phone calls. >> speaking of polls, a lot of polls show if that happens, the republicans will be blamed for it, not the president. >> clayton: like 1995 all over again. >> mike: exactly. so representative randy forbes out of virginia says, maybe the president doesn't want an agreement really? listen. >> the president doesn't really want to get an agreement or a compromise, he wants to get his way and that's why he won't come to the table with any serious proposal and simply talk because i think if we do that, we can get a solution that everybody could live with. we're willing to sit down and negotiate and talk about the ideas and proposals, where is the senate and the president. the american people can hear what they're putting on the table and second realizing the senate and president are ju
's offer to avoid the fiscal cliff was laughed at by republicans. this week, the gop countererred. extend the bush tax cuts to everyone, including the rich. revenue, cost savings, cutting, whatever you want to call it from vague areas such as closing, special interest loopholes and deductions, savings from health care and cuts in discretionary spending. other than that, no specifics. president obama wasn't feeling it. he said the gop must agree to one thing to get anywhere close do a deal. >>. >> wee going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> speaker boehner fired back. >> this week, we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis. now, we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> so, here we are, just over three weeks from going over the fiscal cliff. you're probably getting a lot of stuff around the house this weekend wondering what the heck is going on in these houses in washington. this is the worst of american politics. they put themselves and their political games
had to say about the fiscal cliff. >> congress can avoid all of this bypassing a law that pass as tax hike on the first $250,000 on everybody's income. that means 90% of americans and 90% of small businesses wouldn't see their income taxes go up by a single dime. even the wealthiest americans would get tax cuts on the first $250,000 of their income. and families everywhere would enjoy some peace of mind. >> clayton: i think that republicans agree and a number of republicans say this, they're in a poor bargaining position. they he lost the election and polls show most americans agree with the president's position on tax hikes. furthermore, if this fiscal cliff happened 23 days from now, the president, if he doesn't do anything, those bush tax cuts expire, no negotiation at all. the bush tax cuts expire and the defense cuts go into place if the president basically doesn't return phone calls. >> speaking of polls, a lot of polls show if that happens, the republicans will be blamed for it, not the president. >> clayton: like 1995 all over again. >> mike: exactly. so representative randy
in terms of the fiscal cliff without insuring that we ask the top 1% or 2% to pay their fair share in taxes. they're paying lower income taxes than in almost any time in our history since we implemented income tax. they have had a great deal. president obama said that up for them. -- president bush set that up for them. we ask the wealthy to pay for their fair share. what we had was economic prosperity. when you see the gains they're playing in congress right now, to suggest he could do this with deductions is not true. the math does not add up. the president has to stick to his guns in insuring that it is time for the wealthiest americans to help bail out from this mess. we have to make cuts. they have to be prudent. the president and vice-president do not believe the way to balance the budget is on the backs of the states. if they reduce the commitment to health care, medicare, medicaid and say we will reduce the reimbursement and shift the burden back to the states, the president knows that is not doing anything to achieve his goal of universal health care at a time when we are implement
. when you hear about the concern about the fiscal cliff, it is not the tax rates. i do not buy that. i do not think we need to increase the tax rates. >> if you go over and the tax rates go up, all of that goes away. >> we should not do it. we should resolve this. it depends on whether we then do something about it in the next month or two after it. we set ourselves on a path to do something within 30, 60, or 90 days and we are clear about that. people do not believe we will do it unless we do something. that is our worries. >> as part of that second stage, does the top rate have to end at 39.6? are there ways democrats can accept something in between bush and clinton if it was coupled with a reduction in the ability of people to take certain deductions or credits? would you see a top rate below 39.6 when the dust settles? >> i do not want to second-guess what we may decide. i think we should go to 39%. that is not what we should be debating. i do not think it is instead of >> it is in addition to. >> yes. having that debate now suggests that that is all we have to do. most people who
a deal on the fiscal cliff or else automatic spending cuts and tax hikes will kick in and with the fiscal cliff looming, our consumers feeling at all concerned? christine romans joins us now from new york with that. good morning, christine. >> good morning, ted. first, let me tell you what's going right in the economy for consumers. there's a whole host of things. the job markets, 7.7% unemployment, the lowest in four years. you've got the housing market showing signs of recovery. rising home values in much of the country. gas prices, did you notice? they're down 46 cents over the past couple of months. they're expected to keep going lower and the dow is up 20 points now. the dow is above 1,300 and the s&p 500 is up 12% this year. so, what could go wrong? fiscal cliff. this is something weighing op consumer sentiment and we're starting to see it in the weekly -- look at this -- 39% said it would affect it some. they don't seem to have much faith in congress to fix it and any time except 11th hour and maybe a week into the new year and there's this payroll tax holiday that most people have
with the fiscal cliff. this is an arbitrary, across-the-board tax increase. the combination of which will mean that if we are unable to resolve the fiscal cliff without raising taxes, we'll already see a lot of new taxes as a result of the health care law on financial transactions, on insurance programs, on every single working american. so that's why we have our speaker, john boehner, trying to present president obama with an alternative that says rather than raising taxes which is already going to happen on january 1 from this massive new tax increase that was in the health care bill, why don't we find a way to understand and have the economy take that in hand first? i know the president stood here at the state of the union address and said we're not going to spend one dime of taxpayer money. i know the president stood here and said every single american can keep your own insurance plan. i know the president has made these promises to the american people and these are things that we're going to have to understand about january 1 next year. and i believe that's why we need to have john boehne
a fiscal cliff deal must include new revenues. the president pushed his plan to raise taxes on household earning over $250,000 a year. >> and i am here to tell you that nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> reporter: john boehner has a hard sell of his own with conservatives upset over his offer of $800 billion in new taxes. >> the plans the white house has talked about us this far, they could not pass either house. >> reporter: a "washington post" poll finds 53% would blame republicans if the country went over the fiscal cliff while only 27% would blame the president. >> we need new thinking and renewed efforts from all americans. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are voicing support for extending middle class tax cuts until a larger deal is found. >> which i hope they will. that that will be a victory for the american people. >> reporter: republicans, like virginia's eric cantor, said the gop has offered plans that will avoid tax hikes. >> and the proposal that we sent to the president deserves a response. >> reporter: maryland congressman steny hoyer warns congressional
. the fiscal cliff involves nearly four dollars of anticipated revenue from higher taxes for every dollar of spending cuts, yet the president wants more revenue and fewer spending cuts. if we fell off the cliff, his plan calls for another round of stimulus spending. you have got to be kidding me. what the president's plan lacks is any reform in our entitlement system. the unrestrained growth in entitlement system is driving deficits and driving the debt even higher than the percentage of our gdp. it is estimated to be as high as $128 trillion. even if they confiscate all of the income that excesses $1 million, we cannot pay for the entitlement commitments that the federal government has made. we have made promises to ourselves that we simply cannot keep. without some sensible entitlement reform, our credit rating will be downgraded again. we will become a country that none of us recognize. secondly, fiscal plans failed to achieve their government budget deficit or debt reduction goals. dr. hassett has examined fiscal plans in other countries. on average, unsuccessful plans proposed an inc
you to spend $400 this holiday season. on one item. >> the showdown over the fiscal cliff. a new poll suggests president obama has the american people's support when it comes to taxing the wealthy. this poll shows nearly half of those surveyed once bush eras tax cuts to expire for those making more than $250,000 a year. the poll was taken last weekend. the questions did lean more to the men -- to the democratic party. eric cantor says republicans want to sit down with the president and talk specifics. president obama spoke with business executives, calling for a balanced approach combining taxes with cuts. the president rejected a gop counter offer, which targeted government cuts but did not add any new taxes. if the deal is not reached by january 1, everyone's taxes will go up and automatic spending cuts will go into affect. >> starbucks makes news for two reasons. why they want you to spend $450 this holiday season for one product. >> a would-be thief sets off a bomb next to an atm. what wins? pictures that will show you. >> feeling like >> ready ms from the district. police are loo
of negotiations on the so-called fiscal cliff. disagreements on taxing the wealthy remains one of the sticking points between the two sides. this is about five minutes. >> good morning, everyone. this is not a progress report because there is no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that is threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago, secretary geithner kaine your to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts, and it had an indefinite and infinite increase in the debt limit, like forever. four days ago, we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there has been no counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to push our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president got the tax rate hike he wan
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